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Charlene Bayerle
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/9/2003
PictureThisbyChar.com
 

My Web-Site


Wondering why, when I enter a new photograph into my website, it goes to the bottom of the category instead of going to number 1 as the most recent.
Anyone else having that problem???
Charlene


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8/8/2005 6:13:27 AM

 
Carolyn  M. Fletcher
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/6/2001
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  YES!! And I HATE it!! I want it back the old way and quick!! I don't even know if I'll renew my site if it stays like this. Why would you want old stuff showing up first?? I don't know what happened. SOMEBODY HELP!!


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8/8/2005 8:26:30 AM

 
Carolyn  M. Fletcher
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/6/2001
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  P.S. You forgot to mention this seems to be just Deluxe and Pro websites. My member gallery doesn't seem to be affected.


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8/8/2005 8:39:18 AM

 
Paul Coco
PaulCocoPhotography.com
  Same here except mine seem to be a complete mix of old and new. This needs to be fixed quickly with the newest uploads first.


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8/8/2005 9:18:41 AM

 
Ed Heaton
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/13/2003
  Hello All,
I seem to be in the same boat as Paul. Some of mine seem to be sorted by date and other are in a mix of old & new too. I would prefer to have my newer stuff showing up first as Carolyn has indicated she would! Maybe we should drop Jay Wadley a note and see what kind of response we get. If no one else has I would be happy to do it... Let me know!


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8/8/2005 9:57:54 AM

 
Paul Coco
PaulCocoPhotography.com
  Thanks, Ed. If you have Jay's address, please do so. As it is, there is no rhyme or reason. Thanks.


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8/8/2005 10:12:53 AM

 
Kathleen Clemons
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/19/2000
  I hate it too! When I first got my website, I told family and friends to click on "Browse All Photos" to keep up with my newest work. Well now that takes them to mostly old stuff first! I have disabled that page for now, and hope there is a way to put things back the way they were!!


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8/8/2005 10:47:00 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  A similar thing happens when you upload to your gallery. But only if you go to the "photo sort order" page. As soon as you click on that, all of the new photos without an assigned order number get kicked to the bottom of the last page, when they were at the top of the first before entering that page. It really makes that "sort order" option useless and a real pain in the tuckus! I want to get a Deluxe Web Site, but this is one thing that makes me hesitate to do so! Ed, please let us know what Jay or anyone else says or ask them to post to this thread with a reply for all of us to see. Thanks!


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8/8/2005 11:06:50 AM

 
Ed Heaton
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/13/2003
  Hey Everyone,
I emailed Jay and he is out of the office until Thursday, but I'm sure he'll address it as soon as he returns!


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8/8/2005 12:07:16 PM

 
Samuel Smith
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/21/2004
  i uploaded 9 yesterday and they all went right to the top,and the new way is much easier.
take care,sam


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8/8/2005 1:24:07 PM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  Sam, yours is a premium gallery, though, right? Unless you go into "Photo Sort Order" in your gallery, they'll stay at the top. But as soon as you click the link to that Sort Order page, all newer posts get kicked to the end, unless you re-number them (or set them all to 1, which is a HECK of a lot easier than re-numbering all of your images!)

I guess on the Deluxe and Pro web sites, newer uploads are automatically moved to the bottom of the last page, which is REALLY inconvenient.


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8/8/2005 1:32:07 PM

 
Joy Brown
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/13/2001
  Don't mess with something that ain't broke!!! The deluxe and pro websites need to have their newest images AT THE BEGINNING!


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8/8/2005 3:31:18 PM

 
Bob Cammarata
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/17/2003
  This issue was brought up before.
I hate having to re-sort my categories after each new upload.


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8/8/2005 4:40:45 PM

 
Charlene Bayerle
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/9/2003
PictureThisbyChar.com
  I was hoping someone from the BP crew could give us an answer on this question!!!!!


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8/9/2005 5:44:26 AM

 
William C. Raco
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/4/2003
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  I agree that the current process is confusing and frustrating.
Many times, the new photos randomly place within the categories and are difficult for me to find, let along someone looking for new postings in my gallery.
Can the photo sort order function be integrated into the posting process to allow us to place the photo where we want when originally uploaded?
That would make things easier and more flexible for all of us.

Bill


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8/9/2005 5:54:25 AM

 
Donna R. Moratelli
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/23/2000
  I alway like your comments Bill!
DITTO!


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8/10/2005 1:45:07 AM

 
Charlene Bayerle
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/9/2003
PictureThisbyChar.com
  Just trying to keep this thread current.....hoping for a response from Jim or Heather or anyone who can fix this problem.
Thank you so much!!!!


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8/10/2005 9:25:28 PM

 
Amy Wadley
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/30/2000
  Based on suggestions from many of our members, we have gone ahead and
added some features to your "Photo Sort Order" link in your admin page to
make sorting your images easier. This change has moved unsorted photos
from the beginning of your category to the end. We have also added a link
making it easier to move your photos from the end to the beginning. If you click on your "Photo Sort Order" link from your admin page, you will
see several links next to each new image. They are: "up", "down", "top" and "bottom". By clicking on one of these links, you can quickly and easily resort your photos.


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8/11/2005 3:07:20 PM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  Great info!!!! Will this be for Premium Galleries, too, or just the Web Sites?


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8/11/2005 3:11:21 PM

 
Amy Wadley
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/30/2000
  For now, the change has only been made to our Deluxe Web Sites. I am glad the information helped. We are always looking for ways to build on what we have to give our customers what they really want.


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8/11/2005 3:18:29 PM

 
Kathleen Clemons
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/19/2000
  Is there a plan to put "Browse All Photos" back to the way it used to be? My new photos are still buried behind hundreds of old ones when I click on that category....


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8/11/2005 3:29:16 PM

 
Carolyn  M. Fletcher
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/6/2001
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  Yeah, I agree with Kathleen. I don't want to have to sort everytime I add something. I would like the new stuff in front! Please put it back!!


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8/11/2005 3:32:57 PM

 
Carolyn  M. Fletcher
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  Yeah, I agree with Kathleen. I don't want to have to sort everytime I add something. I would like the new stuff in front! Please put it back!!


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8/11/2005 3:33:18 PM

 
Paul Coco
PaulCocoPhotography.com
  I agree. While this new photo sort order can be occasionally helpful, it leaves all my previously uploaded photos a complete jumble. By default, the newest photos should be the first ones seen. As each photo is assigned a chronological number, that should be very easy to do. Then the new options can be used the few times they are needed.


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8/11/2005 3:43:34 PM

 
Charlene Bayerle
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/9/2003
PictureThisbyChar.com
  Amy, with all due respect, there are many of us that are not really happy about the new sort order. It doesnt make much sense. Why would we have to re-sort every time we enter a new photo???
Was this new information posted anywhere? Truthfully, I can't keep up with all these new changes...I don't have enough time in my life to keep track of all the with changes like this. It's always a surprise!!!! Change can sometimes be good, but sometimes, why change it, if it's working ok.....Now we have to take more time to sort our photos when it was always done automatically before.


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8/11/2005 3:59:53 PM

 
Joy Brown
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/13/2001
  While we all know BP is contantly making many changes, not all of them are necessarily good ones. I can't imagine what was the reasoning for this one. We all pay a lot of money for our websites and many of us utilize our sites for business purposes. I hope you will consider our concerns and return this "feature" back to the way it was and next time please give us an opportunity to voice our opinion or an option to not use all the new features that BP thinks are great but create headaches for us.


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8/11/2005 4:14:52 PM

 
Jay Wadley
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/13/2000
  Thanks everyone for your feedback.

As hard as is is to believe, this sorting change was begged for by dozens of Deluxe site owners for a long time. Some people just don't want their sort order changed every time they upload. I can understand that as easily as your view.

For one a change can be great and for another a headache. I'll take another look at this soon and try to come up with an option if possible.


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8/11/2005 6:29:30 PM

 
Charlene Bayerle
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/9/2003
PictureThisbyChar.com
  Thank you Jay for your response.....maybe you can make this an option to those who want to use it.
As Joy said, we use our websites as a business tool and when we suggest clients look at our websites, we would hope they would see our newest entries.
Plus, who wants to take the time to sort their entries every day???? I really don't have the time to do that.
And the other suggestion, is to let the BP members know when a change has been made. I don't always look at the "blogs". I didnt even know there were blogs until recently.
Please re-consder and just make it an option for those who want it. There are a few dozen of us who don't want it.
Thank you so much
Charlene


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8/11/2005 6:47:38 PM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
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  Well flipping it does make photos show up on a site in numerical order by id number, as well as alphabetical when you upload. First upload comes up first, last upload comes up last.
But this reminds me of the contest number change. The few who complained swore that everybody felt the same, not even thinking that not hearing from thousands of others can mean that they don't have a problem. You make a change for every complaint, or do you drive yourself crazy trying to please too many? Maybe you can find a happy medium, maybe you can give a simple option in the admin. page to have numerical order or reverse numerical order. The closer you get to each having their own control is the only way to please the most people.


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8/12/2005 2:18:10 AM

 
Carolyn  M. Fletcher
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  I don't think it's the sort order feature that's not liked. It's fine! We just want our latest stuff to load so it shows up first!


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8/12/2005 3:44:00 AM

 
Kathleen Clemons
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/19/2000
  Exactly! I just want people to be able to make one click to see my newest work, not to have to search each category.


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8/12/2005 3:49:42 AM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
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  Uh, not talking about the sort order feature. I said I can understand how some people would want earliest first, and how some would want latest first. I said an option to have photos appear numerical order or reverse numerical order.


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8/12/2005 12:19:44 PM

 
Carolyn  M. Fletcher
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  That would work just fine for me if they can do that. Right now they aren't in either order. The new ones are showing up somewhere in the middle.


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8/12/2005 12:52:13 PM

 
William C. Raco
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/4/2003
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  While I agree having the newest photos show up first works best for me, I can also understand other people having use for other procedures.
I would like to see as much individual control over sort order as possible so that everyone is satisfied.
I think that same philosophy would carry over to all aspects of website control.
The more flexibility, the better.
Thank you, Jay for listening and trying to adapt.


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8/12/2005 12:58:52 PM

 
Jay Wadley
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/13/2000
  You will now find a new option in the "Gallery Options" link from your Deluxe Admin center that allows you to choose whether you want photos to sort to the beginning or end by default.

You of course will still be able to change the sort order through the sort order admin pages at any time. This change only applies to newly uploaded images.

Thanks again everyone for your patience


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8/15/2005 4:02:37 PM

 
Charlene Bayerle
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/9/2003
PictureThisbyChar.com
  And thank you Jay, for your response and a way to fix the situation, so everyone is happy!!!!
You're the BEST!!!!
Charlene


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8/15/2005 4:15:03 PM

 
Bob Cammarata
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/17/2003
  A simple solution to a problem plagued by many.

Thanks Jay!


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8/15/2005 4:31:24 PM

 
Kathleen Clemons
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/19/2000
  Hi Jay, Thanks! The change is working in my individual categories, but not with the browse option. The shots I uploaded yesterday and today didn't show up in the first 200 photos...I gave up looking at that point.... It seems to be skipping categories.


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8/15/2005 5:07:34 PM

 
William C. Raco
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/4/2003
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  I just uploaded a photo to test the browse function, and the new photo isn't first or last.
Everything is still random order.
Can you adjust the browse to allow new photos to show up first?


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8/15/2005 5:15:56 PM

 
Carolyn  M. Fletcher
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/6/2001
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  Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! Mine is working just fine including the browse. MUCH appreciated!!!!!


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8/16/2005 2:44:59 AM

 
Ed Heaton
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/13/2003
  Good morning All,
I will have to say Thanks to Jay for his speedy resolution to the issues we were all having! I just sorted my images and everything worked flawlessly!


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8/16/2005 5:34:38 AM

 
Jay Wadley
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/13/2000
  Kathleen and Will-

I just uploaded a test photo to your site and it appeared as the first photo in your browse all categories area. This change applies to new uploads.


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8/16/2005 7:34:37 AM

 
Kathleen Clemons
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/19/2000
  Thanks,Jay, I didn't realize that it was only the new uploads. I appreciate your time. :)


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8/16/2005 7:42:48 AM

 
William C. Raco
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  Thank you, Jay
Today's upload worked perfectly.


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8/16/2005 2:48:19 PM

 
Donna R. Moratelli
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/23/2000
  Yes, THanks very much Jay! THe new section is working great!


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8/17/2005 3:16:31 AM

 
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