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Susan E.  Patrick Harris
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/9/2004
 

Nikon D70 vs. Canon20D


hi all,
i am looking to purchase a digit format slr. I work mostly in protraits but I also do a lot of sports action. I have been trolling the site finding simular work and then looking at the equipment used. I have narrowed it down to these two units.
any input would be greatly appreciated.
sph


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6/15/2005 4:41:34 PM

 
Derek Holyhead   Hi Susan,

Do you use a film SLR now? If so, is it a Canon EOS or Nikon? If yes, do you have any lenses for it? If yes you would save money by sticking with the same brand. Either of these cameras is capable of producing hihg quality images. The Canon is higher megapixels (8.2 against 6.1 for the D70) and would probably have the edge in the sports side as it does 5fps and the Nikon is 3fps. But in the end it is down to personal choice, either camera would be an excellent choice. Go to your local camera store and look at both, handle them and see which feels better to you. I personally use the 20D and love it. But I had a few Canon lenses so that was the deciding factor for me. Good luck in choice. A good review on the Nikon can be found here: http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/showproduct.php?product=219&sort=7&cat=16&page=1
and the Canon here: http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/showproduct.php?product=220&sort=7&cat=15&page=1
Hope this helps.

Regards,
Del


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6/15/2005 5:22:01 PM

 
Derek Holyhead   Hi Susan,

After looking at your gallery, nice work by the way, have you considered the Minolta Maxxum 7D, it seems to be simular to the Maxxum 7 that you are using and of course your existing lenses would fit. Look here:
http://kmpi.konicaminolta.us/eprise/main/kmpi/content/cam/cam_Product_Pages/Maxxum_7D
Just a thought.

Regards,
Del


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6/15/2005 5:30:41 PM

 
Susan E.  Patrick Harris
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/9/2004
  thanks del,
actually I have had such problems with this minolta that I am using now. I had to get creative in ps. the camera is currently back at the factory hopefull getting repaired. anyway, I am ready to change brands. I will keep the minolta for film but I really am inpressed with the customer support from both nikon and canon. minolta is not a consumer-friendly company in my experience (which has been with minolta for 15 years.)
thanks again for your input. I really appreciate your time.
sph


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6/15/2005 7:18:44 PM

 
Michelle Ross
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/1/2004
  I have the Maxxum 7D and I really like it . . . I haven't had Customer Service issues though so I can understand your reluctance. It is nice though to be able to utilize the lenses I already have. I think there is a rebate on the camera til the end of the month!


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6/15/2005 8:11:08 PM

 
Susan E.  Patrick Harris
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/9/2004
  thanks michelle!


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6/15/2005 10:00:19 PM

 
Angela K. Wittmer
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/13/2003
  I have the D70 but I also have a Nikon N80 for film & other Nikon lenses.. I agree on holding it to see what feels best in your hands. I liked hoe the D70 felt in my hands. It does take great pics.


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6/16/2005 6:56:22 AM

 
Ford    In favor, that whys I bought it. The 20d has better resolution, more effective pixels, better sensor detectors, sensor is made by Canon and Kelvin overide is possible. The nikon does have a better LCD screen, but I can tell what a great shot looks like by now. If money is a factor then go with Nikon


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6/16/2005 9:08:19 AM

 
Ford    I would have to say that the color is a little better(Nikon), but my ps is already set up to even that out as a batch


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6/16/2005 9:10:03 AM

 
Pamela K
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  I bought the Canon recently. I do a lot of wildlife photography, and got the Canon because of its faster rapid fire and greater on camera memory storage. Also, I liked Canon because my boyfriend is into videography and hopes to get a camera with exchangable lenses soon. Canon lenses fit both their SLRs and their video cams. Also, the Canon seems to do better at the faster ISOs.

They're both great cameras. Here's a review of the two side-by-side.

I'm slightly biased toward Canon because I've used it and loved it, but I know a lot of people with the D70 that are perfectly happy. A lot of it probably depends on what types of photos you're planning on taking.

Pam


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6/17/2005 7:47:27 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  JUST MY 2 CENTS:
I HAD FUJI S2'S THEY USE NIKON LENS,SO WITH SO MUCH NIKON EQUIPTMENT -I KEEP BUYING NIKON D70'S-I REALLY DO LIKE THIS CAMERA, I BELIVE IT IS A GREAT CAMERA FOR THE COST,CHECK OUT SITES LIKE THIS:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=43456&item=7522090221&rd=1
3 LENS , 2 BAGS , 4 GIG CARD ECT. $1,200.00
NOW IF I WERE GOING TO DO A TOTAL CHANGE , I WOULD LOOK FIRST AT EBAY TO PRICE-THEN I WOULD LIST TO SELL MY OTHER CAMERA EQUIPTMENT.
AND BY THE WAY-ONCE I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MY COMPANY'S EQUIPTMENT-AND CAN FOCUS AGAIN ON WHAT I WANT WELLLLLL: I LOVE CANON!! AND WILL BUY FOR MY USE ONLY THE MARK II.
JUST SOME THOUGHTS.


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6/17/2005 9:05:39 AM

 
Ford    Yah. I got my eye on that bad boy. The markII sounds heavenly. Im saving for that one


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6/17/2005 1:41:10 PM

 
Andrew Laverghetta
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/13/2004
  I'll start out by saying that I have a Canon 20D and the only Nikon that I've every REALLY used was a D1. I figured it out pretty quickly but what I didn't like has probably been fixed for the D70. If you do a bit of sports, the 5 frames per second can really help, then you can cut down later. The benefit should probably be enjoyed in large/fine JPEG mode unless you're precise in your shooting and won't need tremendously long bursts as the 20D can only shoot 6 continuous RAW images (which equals just over a second of continuous shooting until the buffer is full, but JPEG fills the buffer more slowly. I don't think the extra resolution will really make a difference no matter what you do. Especailly only about 2 megapixels.

As for higher, professional models, I would not consider the 1DS MarkII for sports, but definitly for portraits.

Definitly, since I use the 20D, I would recommend it. The 20D also accepts a battery grip allowing two batteries at the same time and easier vertical shooting.

Something that I notice about a few if not many of Nikon's cameras is that they are pretty quiet. The mirror slap sound from the D70 and their 35mm N80 (I think that's the model) is really quiet and pleasing to listen to. Not that the 20D's isn't, it's just very forcefull.

Check out the specs on the two cameras in one of the previous posts and see what you really need out of the two bodies.

What I suggest is that you check out EVERYTHING that you can find about these two cameras before you go in to check them out. Check out dpreview.com and learn where all the buttons are and what they do so you can find your way around the two cameras easily. I did this before I tried out my 20D, or before I ordered it I guess. I would also suggest B&H for your ordering because they have great prices and good service.


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6/17/2005 8:32:45 PM

 
Ford    Hey Debbie, Im getting the MarkII for free from my sis. I let you know how it works


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6/18/2005 9:56:38 AM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  OH, I AM SOOOO JEALOUS!!!!!
I CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR HOW MUCH FUN YOUR HAVING WITH IT-THOUGH I MAY HAVE TO HATE YA FOR IT,LOL,LOL.
THATS JUST $4-5000.00 WORTH OF FUN!
PLEASE DO SEND US A FEW FRON IT OK.
HAVE A GREAT DAY.


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6/18/2005 10:06:32 AM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  Hi, Susan. I'm not a pro (YET) and don't know much about the Cannons, except I know a lot of people who have them and love them!

THAT BEING SAID....I LOVE my D70! It's my new best friend!

It's really SO subjective. You have to try them out in the store, see what feels right to you.....but then look online for great deals! Check out www.digitalfoto.com. Great deals. REALLY reliable service and quick shipping! (I wonder if they'll give me a discount on lenses for the plug! LOL!!!)


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6/18/2005 1:01:03 PM

 
Michael Kaplan   1st of all, Laura... I can see you really don't know much about Canon's since you don't even spell the name right LoL...
( I am kidding, I just couldn't resist)

Now, as for which camera, both arevery capable cameras. I too have the 20D and am extremely happy with it. It has many advantages over the D70 and really, they are not equivalent models. The 350xt is the competition to it and again, both are good cameras. There are just too many impoortant advantages of the 20D over the D70 IMO that makes it an easy choice.

I suggest you look at http://www.dpreview.com. Check out the Canon 20D and Nikon D70 forums and do a search for 20D vs D70. You will find many MANY discussions on one over the other and there are many excellent photos from both sides to compare.

Here is one guy's opinion. He uses both cameras and does a good comparison. It is still just his opinion but still gives you some idea of the differences.

You must remember that it is really the photographer that makes a good picture. The camera is just the tool.
Michael Kaplan
http://www/pbase.com/mkaplan


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6/18/2005 2:14:25 PM

 
Laura E. OConnor
BetterPhoto Member Since: 5/12/2005
  OK OK, you got me! My eyes can't focus and my fingers won't cooperate today. I've been misspelling EVERYTHING! I need to stay off the computer for a while! ;)


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6/18/2005 2:51:52 PM

 
Susan E.  Patrick Harris
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/9/2004
  thanks you all for the input.
after all my research and inquiries I still am undecided. of course I really want that mark ii, but unless I win the lottery or andrew decides he wants to give me his after he gets it from his sis i'm not getting the mark ii.
i am in the process of setting up a studio to earn a little extra cash doing children's portraits. The canon seems to be the best for that. because my daughter plays aau basketball I have many teams who I photograph. teams have started asking me do take action shots for which I think the nikon would be the pick. I like laura hope to turn pro in the very near future I want to make the investment be as versatile as possible.
My Minolta is back at the factory hopefully being repaired right now. I have had problems with a soft focus. I thought I needed glasses and went to two docs to make sure. if anyone is interested, please checkout my gallery. I would appreciate any constructive input. I am not offended by negative input. I just want to be getting better with each shoot.
My negs are also being gouged as they spool up when each frame is shot. I have so much repairing in the scanned negs that it takes me 4-5 rolls shot to get 1 usable set of exposures.
iím headed out to the stores tonight to do the feel tests. Perhaps that will be the deciding factor for me. Thanks again for all the help.


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6/18/2005 3:15:15 PM

 
Michael Kaplan   Sorry to correct you but the Canon is the pick for action, not the Nikon. That is the reason if you check, over 90% of sports photographers are currently shooting Canon. Take a look at the sea of white lenses in any photos from the last Olympics for example. The 20D is 5FPS over the D70's 3 and in JPG can take over 23 in a row and clears the buffer faster as well.

Also, although I agree that the 1DmkII is a nicer camera, you also must realize that it is larger and heavier; a point that has made quite a few people step down to the 20D from the 1 series. Unless you really need its capabilities, the 20D is sufficient for most work.


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6/18/2005 4:42:28 PM

 
Susan E.  Patrick Harris
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/9/2004
  thanks michael! actually, I meant the reverse of what I typed. I guess my brain wasn't on the ball in catching it before I sent it!


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6/18/2005 6:09:29 PM

 
Pamela K
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  If you're planning to do a lot of action photography, I'd definitely go with the Canon. They also have a more extensive line of zoom lenses than Nikon for a more flexible range of options. I wanted the Mark II until the 20D came out. The 20D has almost all of the features that were missing in the 10D that I felt passionate about for wildlife photography. I'm sure it would be similar for sports photography.

Pam


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6/18/2005 11:42:07 PM

 
Peggy J. Sells
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  Susan,
I own the 20D and love it. I also just got the 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM lens. This lens gives my photographs excellent quality. If you are looking for action shots check out my website under "Events" I photographed Skiing events this last season. At that time I used a 100-300 zoom. I hope this helps. Peggy


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6/18/2005 11:55:00 PM

 
Ford    20d is making money shots for me


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6/19/2005 3:16:30 AM

 
Susan E.  Patrick Harris
BetterPhoto Member Since: 12/9/2004
  well the nikon does feel a little better in my hand than the canon, but I am getting the canon.
thanks for all the great input!
I LOVE THIS FORUM!


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6/19/2005 10:09:10 AM

 
Ford    good deal susan, if you have any questions I know the manual backwards and fowards


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6/19/2005 11:13:28 AM

 
Kathi A. Poulsen   HI-
Just a few little more points from my experience (for whats it's worth)....A friend & I both purchased new cameras in Nov. I bought the Canon 20D, She bought the Nikon D70.
We both do alot of portraits, she seems very disappointed that she does not have 100 ISO, she has to have a hot shoe to sync & a few other little things.
I LOOOOOOVVVVEEEE my Canon !!! She wishes she would have spent a little more & got the Canon. Just a few little points from my experience


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6/19/2005 1:54:32 PM

 
Ford    Ive been reading and you can get the same color quality of the nikon on the MarkII if you change the color matrix saturation


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6/20/2005 8:42:10 AM

 
Ford    I shoot at ISO 100 about 90% of the time. The Nikon doesn't have that option


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6/20/2005 9:18:05 AM

 
Michael Rasborn
BetterPhoto Member Since: 6/20/2005
  Hi There !

Last Dec I played with a friends canon EOS slr for several hours and was amazed...
When I returned home after much homework and talking with Ritzcamera pros and playing with the Nikon d70, I bought the D70. why?

Speed was one of my criteria...almost instantaneous. Believe me when I tell you after using cheap digital 2-3-4-5 mp cameras with young kids, cousins, party's etc ...I can't stand waiting for the camera to 'get-on-with-it' for the next shot. The Eos is slow on startup...it is 2-3s. Unacceptable.

Also for the money: the D70's build is far more robust, grippy and sturdy and scratch-resist, compared to the flimsy Canon's EOS, -cheaper.

Lens build and ring connectors are built to last - metal, as opposed to plastic. The d70's 18-70 ED zoom lens is quieter and faster and wonderful.

Last, on playing with the D70, the controls and placement of buttons and v. easy menu was a seller too. Buttons were just where they should be when you are holding/shooting/composing.

Ok 6MP CCD. I wanted real flexibility + speed + quality. SLR.

You can make an SLR as complicated or as easy as you want. But the control buttons are awkward on the Canon EOS/rebel. I learnt to use an SLR from scratch much..and I'm no pro; just a nut who loves 'still' photography. There are many very helpful nuances you will find out the more you use it...like the angled memory slot/easy-one-hand release...battery compartment will prevent the battery from completely falling out...small control LCD screen on top - review LCD on back....etc...dials for thumb and fore fingers when catching your children at the park...if you do forget to charge the great battery, this kit comes with a special holder for 3 camera alkaline batteries you can buy most shops as emergency to power this beast...never used it yet.

For the extra $200, you get a whole lot more camera. I think the rebel is over-priced for the quality; it really didn't strike me as a $1000 camera in Jan 2005: perhaps $700.

You don't always get what you pay for ? Some things are worth every penny. It really depends upon how much you are willing to pay ? My TOTAL budget for EVERYTHING, incl. 3x512 fast CF, 2x skylight lens, 2x Li Batteries, e-book, tele-macro lens, backpack, 12mos. unconditional Ritz. warranty/replacement, and tax was $2000: I spent $2085 from Ritzcamera on 12 months 0%. I'm never giving it back.

Is the difference between ISO 100 and 200 really dramatic ? I haven't missed it ...

PS. don't skimp on slow/cheap CF mem; just buy Sandisk ultra II 66x or Lexar WD 80x. I already tried cheap CF. nope.


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6/20/2005 12:05:20 PM

 
Ford    yah, compare it to the Rebel. Thats like comparing the 20D to the MarkII. My startup is right when I press the button. My camera is constantly on and that last me 8hrs shooting(with grip). I bought extra batteries ,but haven't used them yet. No scratches so far, I treat it like a baby. You only need one finger to scroll.The buttons are a piece of cake. Read the manual and any camera is easy. Lexar is priceless. I know someone down the street who has both(they started with Nikon) and because of the lenses found it hard to change over. Now they've got the whole high end line of Canon and the Nikons are for sale.
You get what you pay for, and that rings true more often than not, but somebody has to keep them in business and competition is good. Makes Canon work harder


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6/20/2005 1:09:16 PM

 
Ford    my second favorite is Fuji(love the colors), but thats how I started.


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6/20/2005 1:24:23 PM

 
Pamela K
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  Micheal, I think Steven is right. You're friend's camera was probably a Rebel. This camera is designed to be a consumer camera. The 10D and 20D are used by many professionals and have a much sturdier body and instantaneous start up time. The Nikon D70 should really be compared to the 10D, I think. The 20D is one step above both of these. If the question was between the Canon Digital Rebel and the Nikon D70, I'd recommend the Nikon. However, for action shots and overall versitility, I definitely recommend the Canon 20D over the Nikon D70.

Pam


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6/20/2005 3:15:13 PM

 
Debby A. Tabb
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/4/2004
  HEY PAM ,
YOU WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!
AND WHEN IT COMES TO SPORTS CANON HAS RULED THE ROOST SINCE THE 1984 OLYMPIC GAMES- COMMON I KNOW THERE ARE OTHER OLD BIRDS OUT THERE THAT REMEMBER WHEN , NIKON LOST IT'S LONG RUNNING CROWN TO CANON.
AND CANON, JUST DOES NOT WANT TO GIVE IT BACK.
AS I SAID I HAVE THE D70- IT IS A REALLY GOOD LITTLE CAMERA AND I HAVE HAD CANON(AND WANT IT AGAIN)FUJI S2 AND D70-ALL HAVE VERTUES OF THIER OWN-FUGI IS BY FAR THE BETTER PORTRAIT CAMERA-THE SHOTS I GOT OF BMX-THE GUYS FROM THE MAGS. COULDN'T BELIVE I WAS GETTING WITH THE FUJI(BUT IT WAS A FIGHT) THE CANON WOULD DO IT FANTASTIC! THE D70 DOES THEM WITH QUALITY TO BUT AT A LESS EXPENSIVE PRICE TAG- I CAN ALLOW MY OTHER PHOTOGRAPHER TO TAKE THEM OUT ON THIER SHOOTS WITH OUT A NERVOUS BRAKEDOWN! WE GO WITH WHAT WE HAVE TO - TO MAKE THING WORK- AS WE GET TO SPOIL OUR SELVES WE MAKE OTHER CHOISES.
DEBBY


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6/20/2005 3:56:19 PM

 
Andrew Laverghetta
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/13/2004
  Even though you liked the feel of the D70 better, I think you will grow accustomed to the 20D. I had a Canon EOS Rebel GII and even though it's a Canon, there's still a good difference in the body shape. Vertical shooting was a little weird as the viewfinder if not in the middle of the camera but that's just how it is. Not a pro or con really.

Also, Michael's, comment has some really good points but it is definitly not compared to the 20D. Sounds like the Digital Rebel. There is a very large difference between the Rebel and the 20D.

Good choice! I'm sure you'll be happy. Have fun with it!


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6/20/2005 4:30:32 PM

 
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