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I'm not very good at explaining things but I will try. . . You can select one of the good petals and then click copy . . .and then paste it into your picture. . . you can then move the petal to where you want it by going to the free transform option . .. then you may have to rotate it a bit to make it fit the flower. . . you might have to do some edge blending and I'm not very good at that . . .but that is the only way I know how to tell you to do this!
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Jennifer C. Hoffmann |
Thanks Michelle! I will give it a try :)
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Okay Jennifer I just looked at this closer . . . you might be able to clone out the bad petal . . . and then clone in a replacement one and that might make it appear more natural looking . .. I would use the leaf just below the bad petal. . . I don't know what I was thinking earlier!
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- Gregory LaGrange Contact Gregory LaGrange Gregory LaGrange's Gallery |
Looks like an OCD
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Jennifer C. Hoffmann |
Gregory, What is an OCD?
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- Gregory LaGrange Contact Gregory LaGrange Gregory LaGrange's Gallery |
obsessive compulsive disorder an uncontronlable compulsion to do something over and over again, like washing your hands 6 times in a row, or folding clothes over and over again.
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Melissa L. Zavadil |
OK, this is what I would do. Forget cloneing on this you will never get the dimensions quite right. 1. use your lasso tool lasso around the petal just to the right of the bad one. lasso the black and some of the base of the flower. (more of what you need) 2. Now go up to edit- hit copy this section. 3. Go back up to edit- hit paste 4. Hit your control key, put your curser on the piece and move it to about wher you want it to be. 5. Next hold down Control & T at the same time. Move the dimensions of the box so if fits your flower. This is where you can rotate it, transform it, etc. 6. Now, Take your eraser and erase the edges around the pedal that do not work or is extra. You are done. Hope this helps! :o)
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Melissa L. Zavadil |
When you erase the edges be careful to blend dont blend too close to the flower. If you can you can always flatten the image and then heal the area with the bandaid.
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Debby A. Tabb |
BUT ME , I KIND OF LIKE THE BROKEN PETAL. NOTHING IN THIS LIFE SHOULD BE PERFECT-WELL EXCEPT MAYBE A SUNSET. BUT JUST THE OPINON OF THIS FLAWED OLD BROAD-LOL,LOL
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John C. Schwentner |
No, funny man, its not OCD, it's the glitch with the site that keeps repeating the thread whenever I try to upload a picture.
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John C. Schwentner |
Another 2 cents, Ive done all kinds of cloning and the lasso also. the lasso is a lot harder to control when tracing around the image. and if youve ever worked a little with cloning, yes, you can make it so perfect as to be original, and its much easier, but we all have different opinions
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Melissa L. Zavadil |
It is obvious to me that you do not have that much experiance with PS John because you would not be saying what you are saying. Cloning can not do much. You can not twist and turn a clone tool. Cloning is actually rather limited. It can only exactly to a tee duplicate an image. If you copy an image you can manipulate that image where it looks almost completely different from the original. That way you do not have two identical pedals. Another thing about cloning is that you would have a harder time creating the line where the black meets the yellow. This is really not about opinions this is about Ps skill. And I mean that softly with out any harsh words toward you or your skills John. Cloning is very very limited.
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Bob Cammarata |
How about finding another flower and shooting it again. (Just a thought.)
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Debby A. Tabb |
LOL,BOB YOU CRACK ME UP! SO VERY SIMPLE, THIS IDEA - AND YET THE BEST ONE SUBMITTED AND PROBUBLY LESS TIME CONSUMING.LOL I STILL LIKE IT HOW IT IS- IT'S A "CHARLIE BROWN SPRING" BUT I WILL SAY I'M LEARNING FROM WATCHING THE POSTS ON WHAT WAS HOPED TO BE A SIMPLE TASK.
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Bob Cammarata |
Thanks Deb, Sometimes it's easier (and more fun) to find something that isn't broke that to repair what is. (BTW,...PLEASE unlock your cap's...it seems like you're yelling at us.)
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John C. Schwentner |
Sorry Melissa Im afraid you are the one who doesnt understand the clone stamp tool in PS. I can fix anything with it, and you wont be able to spot it either. There are many varied brushes and aids to assist in it as well at the replace or healing tool. I cant believe you are saying this unless of course, you dont know how to use it yet good Luck with all those other extra steps.
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Debby A. Tabb |
OH Bob, I tend to use them as the day progresses- I work on this thing all day editing Portraits for my company and writing by books- my eyes start to really suffer and things start blurring. and yea, I have glasses but they give me a head ache-so I tend to use the caps that I can see & take short breakes to rest them. Sorry to you all- but it's just my situation,all of you have been a pleasure to yap with and a real sorce of enjoyment.Espeicaly , you Bob, and John(Lund?) you two are very common sence with a bit of humor.i left a site because they could not handle it no matter how many times I explained. here that hasn't happened. I hope that you will forgive the caps . debby
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Bob Cammarata |
...Sorry Debby! ('nuff said).
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Daniel, perfect! Just like I "skillfully" would have done. And fast, and easy, and cloning is very versatile, and you can even paint colors, textures, anything you want with it. thanks for the picture worth a thousand words.
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Melissa L. Zavadil |
John, I am sorry to say but your bird clone job is amature at best. If you zoom in on the clone job you have lost all texture in the bird and on the tree. Exactly what you are stating that you have achieved here. It is smudged. This is exactly why you do not use cloning for large areas, it causes smudging or blurring of the pixels. Please notice also on the pedal, the pedal also is smudged. (and I know that you all are going to slam me--go ahead--but I am sorry it is--there are no lines on the pedal or highlights on it like the other pedals have) You can get away with this in small patches on a face for acne or other but on a large piece it is always better to patch that is why adobe has invested so much time and money into its patch tools. Patchwork saves the pixels from smudging and bluring it also allows you to rotate the piece while keeping the exact original texture/pixels in place. Cloning does not allow this its north/south axis is fixed it can not be rotated. You have to search and look for other pixels in the area to pick up that piece of 'paint' that you need with the precise 'axis' that you need to create this paint 'spot'--and that is if you can find that perfect piece (because you can not bend it to make it work). When one patches you take a larger section by rotating the piece you are more likely to get a peice that would match the original pixels in the frame. You bend the piece to match the exact dimensions that you need. There is no smudging of the pixels that happens and no blending is needed. Smoothing of the layers is necessary but once this is learned the smoothing of the layers takes seconds not 5 min. as stated above that it took to clone. If you are working on several pieces as in a digital art room there is not time to fiddle with clone work, patch work is always prefered for large areas.
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John C. Schwentner |
Well, I think you are really just looking for things to pick me apart. Hence the insult "amateur at best". as far as smudging, that picture was taken by someone else and emailed to me.It inherently lost some of it's sharpness due to compression. If the bird is smudged its got nothing to do with cloning, because I didnt clone the bird, only the branch. As far as smudging, if you know how, and are careful, you can make it clean as a whistle. Zooming in as you say you did will naturally start to pixelate at some point merely because you are zooming in. Daniel also could have easily cloned in some petal lines if had wanted to. And I guarantee you without some technical software or something to tell the difference I can clone just about anything to where you'll never know it with the naked eye. As far as that lasso and copy business, you get more "smudging and blurring" around the edges when you try to clean up than you do with cloning. If you knew how to use it properly, or worked with it awhile, you would know what Im saying. It does take a little practice. I think the same thing could be said about the lasso, if an expert forensic man had it under some software, maybe it could also be detected. I stand by the skill involved in it, its more the skill in using it than it is any problem with the utility. If I had posted only the bottom bird, you would never have known it had been fixed. You like patch tools and the lasso, go for it, but a lot more work, and is really no better. But again, it depends on who's doing it. Maybe an Amateur who knows?
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Daniel Diaz |
First of all: normally I don't just stop at cloning, I will add outlines and shadows,and lighting, to which no one would be able to detect, you're comment on the bird pic Melissa was way off base, I thought John did an excellent job, you only noticed it because of the first pic. If he just showed you the finished job you'd have no clue as to what was cloned. Also when cloning or any other "patch work" you must do it before it's resized as this will eliminate those off shades and such. I use all tools in PS, Patch,Lasso,and clone depends on the situation, and I also smudge when needed.
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Melissa L. Zavadil |
First, my eye would have detected the spot even with out the second picture the blurr is obvious. John did an excellent job, with all you can do with a clone tool, yes I agree. Can one achieve better, yes. You stated "I could have just cloned in some outlines and shadows." Why, why do this when the original art is already in the picture, why recreate those lines. THIS is NOT faster than copying and distorting the piece as I recommend. How can you posibly argue this? You must have a lot of time on your hands to do all this clone work. There are so many faster more efficent ways of accomplishing this task if you just opened your mind a little. Please ask this question on a PS site. I hope that you expand your wings a little John, It will help you out in the future and spare you a lot of time.
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Well first, no I dont believe you could have found the cloned spot in the bird unless youinow it was there. And what I really find frustrating is how YOU can possibly say that all that patching and lassoing and editing copy and paste is faster. What are you drinking? And that wasnt even one of my better jobs on the bird. and to create the lines, all you have to do is alt click one time and paint away. amazing!
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Never would have known there was another car in that pic John, excellent job. Mellisa let's not fight, PS is art work if one guy likes to do things one way, and another guy a different way, that's just personal choice. The end resut is all that matters. John's end result would not be detected so please stop bashing him for arguments sake!!
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Matthew Slyfield |
Debby I am an IT Professional. Your symptoms sound like eye strain, which can certainly happen from looking at a computer monitor all day. Here are a few tips to help reduce eye strain. First, increase the refresh rate on your monitor. Set the refresh rate to at least 85 hertz if your monitor will go that high. If your monitor does not support a refresh rate of at least 85 hertz, then set it as high as it will go. Take frequent short breaks to rest your eyes (look away from your monitor for a minute or two). Get a glare filter for your monitor. Switching from a CRT monitor to an LCD monitor can also reduce eye strain. I know every one here says that CRTs are better for editing photos, but if you are getting eye strain so bad that you can't read what your typing without using all caps then you need to think about it. Switch your color scheme for windows to a slightly lower contrast scheme. Especially in word processors, move away from black on white or white on black text. Something like black on wheat or beige may be easier to look at. If your desk top wallpaper is a solid color, consider switching to an image or to a textured wallpaper. Just a few tips from someone else who makes a living looking at a computer monitor all day.
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Melissa L. Zavadil |
Well I can see the spot, it is very blurred to me. John the reason is is that it is six clicks a three minor tweeks. There is no "painting." Now I am still talking about the pedal. Of course for different items there are different tactics that one uses. But for the pedal this would be the fastest way to reproduce the pedal without making the pedal look exactly the same. Ok, here is an example. If you lasso something, you basically just take a photo of it. Then when you copy it it turns into that kids "silly puddy" do you remember when you used to play with that? Where you used to press it on a cartoon and lift it up and distort it by pulling on it? The picture is the same but you can still manipulate it in different shapes. It is like this so the object ends up to look similar but not an exact duplicate. It is faster in that you just lasso copy paste move and erase the edge. Really there is no brain work other than than. What you are doing is actually much more work and technically is much harder to achieve the same output. It might be possible to achieve the same output but it would take so many clone spots that it would take one forever to achieve it.
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Melissa L. Zavadil |
I am not bashing John, I wanted to help him. I had used the clone tool for many years and was seriously stuck with it. After I branched out I have really improved my skills. All I am trying to do is offer constructive critisism. I am sorry if I sound to harsh it is not intended.
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Melissa L. Zavadil |
:o) sorry -- petal!! :o)
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OK, you say you see the spot. Is there just a spot? I cloned out the whole dam branch. Is that all blurred to you too? It probably is. Sorry no matter what you say, lasso copy edit paste(then erase/clean all the edges) can not by the laws of physics be faster than one click and paint. I use the term "paint" loosely becasue actually it is more like painting when you click and just drag. But we who are familiar with it know that its much more than duplicating, but weve already covered all that. You keep your way, and Ill keep my way, but Ill be in Scotland afore ya (probably twice as fast) thanks again Daniel, I have my fulfillment now.
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Oh brother! The clone tool and Adobe PS havent been around for many years. Where are you coming from? And I dont believe you have used it nearly as what you profess, otherwise you could not POSSIBLY say the things you have about it. Thanks for saying you wanted to help me, I was wanting to help you actually. I dont know as much quite as you do about the lasso way, but I DO know more than you about clone tools.
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Oh brother! The clone tool and Adobe PS havent been around for many years. Where are you coming from? And I dont believe you have used it nearly as what you profess, otherwise you could not POSSIBLY say the things you have about it. Thanks for saying you wanted to help me, I was wanting to help you actually. I dont know as much quite as you do about the lasso way, but I DO know more than you about clone tools.
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Melissa L. Zavadil |
Adobe has been around for several years where have you been! ??? Also, I have used the clone tool quite extensively actually AND I have used the lasso tool, so I guess I know both!
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I kind of stuck my foot in that one, it's been around a few years, not many. However it is obvious that you do not, repeat, do not, know that much about using cloning because you dont even know it's full capability.
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Melissa L. Zavadil |
I do, that is why I use it with it's limited capabilities. I use it until the tool falls short but, then I use other tools that are more efficient. The clone tool is not a very efficient tool for certain things. Like this petal.
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Bob and Matthew, Thank you so very much for your understanding and help-i also gotta note from ,susanpatrick.All of you are so kind! I was a member of another site and quickly learned that the people at BP were a REAL cut above the rest. there everyone was quite petty and the same 4-6 people had to be right even if they had to make others feel foolish.I posted a note saying that I was sorry that I understood the caps were disturbing to them but stated why-explained that I used to teach and just wanted to feel like I was again(haveing a business of my own again really has left me doing the yuchy stuff-not the fun stuff)so by joining there forums I can feel like I am teaching again and i'm learning so much from all of you who have been doing digital for a while(WOW) The responce to that post was so nasty-i responed once-asking if what someone had to offer wasn't more important then the disability of using caps? the answer to that was a resounding NO! only one lady chimed in -another teacher! who suffered the same. needless to say-I'm Glad to be back at BP and all of you who are so wonderful as to put up with not only my CAPS but my VERY BAD spelling . what can I say:THANK YOU!!!!!:-) Debby Tabb
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The bodies were stretched to match one another and the legs were stretched and distorted so they would match. The head was ellognated so that it would dimensionally match the value of the creature. This was all done by my eight year old son.
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The bodies were stretched to match one another and the legs were stretched and distorted so they would match. The head was ellognated so that it would dimensionally match the value of the creature. This was all done by my eight year old son.
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I wasnt going to continue this, but I see this one you put in and Im saying whats it got to do with cloning to fix a shot? this is just a paste job making a cartoon type caricature? This is a whole nother ball game, its not repairing a shot. Lasso cut and paste is good for this and other things, I use it all the time for blurring out an entire background. But it is not as efficient for repairing an image. Cloning, and healing tools are.
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John, think again. Expand..... If I can take a leg from another animal and match it exactly to another completely different sized creature can't I take a petal and match it to the same flower it say seconds? All while slightly distorting the image to make it look like a different petal all together?
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Yes, of course you can. That was never the issue. All that I said was its much easier and faster to do a repair in cloning, healing, etc. Of course you didnt match any of it azxactly as far as hue or tone, it still looks like different pictures spliced together. But still isnt the point. Lasso is great for what youre doing with this animal, but fixing that petal can be fixed instantly even with lines better and faster thats all. both can do a similiar job, but I firmly know that cloning is easier than erasing all around the lasso image.
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Melissa L. Zavadil |
Because the background is mostly black and there is such a clear and precise edge you can obtain allmost a perfect outline of that petal (magnetic lasso). It is mostly black the petal to the right is too. You would not see it at all.
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Well, probably so, but I can do the same thing with the clone stamp and healing brush without all that clicking and copying and pasting
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You keep stating one thing. That you firmly know that cloning is easier than erasing all around the lasso image. You are very familiar with the clone tool. I truly believe that you know the clone tool inside and out. Can you escape it for just a few hours and try some new things?
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I have used the lasso for awhile. And I still do use it for blurring out big backgrounds or something. Im not, nor never was knocking it.I love it for superimposing one image onto another too.Its a great tool. Im only saying that I discovered the clone stamp saves me more time and is much easer for what it is intended, and that is repairing pictures! You said the keyword, I am very familiar with the clone tool, it's what I mostly use to clean up portaits for the schoolgraduation shots. I cant help feeling that if you did start using it, you just might think so too. I mean, Ive compared both, and you ought to as well. Funny about this whole discussion, I am really a purist, I dont believe in digital manipulation at all as far as it being photography. But Im guilty about taking out bad spots in the portraits and fixing them because its so darn easy and fast. I do love working in the "darkroom" to play, but I would never use a manipulated photo as an entry or present it as my work
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Melissa L. Zavadil |
Good luck in your future work.
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All I want to know is whos that lady in your gallery
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If you mean me, David, that was my beautiful Mary Sue
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- Gregory LaGrange Contact Gregory LaGrange Gregory LaGrange's Gallery |
Need to look up the name of the disorder when somebody dosen't accept another person following their own way of doing things.
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