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Peggy J. Sells
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/4/2004
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Lens Choice


I have the Canon EOS 20D. I am looking for a recommendation on a lens that will give me a specific look in my photographs. I am taking action shots and would like to be able to zoom in from at least 300mm or more and have a wide enough angle to show my whole subject with the background completly blurred out. Any suggestions and photographs to show what the lens can do would be great.


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6/7/2005 9:33:59 AM

 
Michael H. Cothran   Here's what you need to do -
1. Have a long lens - 300mm is fine.
2. Back up to where you can frame your subject fully.
3. Shoot as wide open as possible.
The farther your subject is from the background, the better. The closer you are to your subject, the better.

Note - I got the impression from your inquiry that you might think a 300mm lens can come with different angles of view. Just in case you might be thinking this, fergitit! All 300mm lenses offer the exact angle of view - which ain't much.
Michael H. Cothran
www.mhcphoto.net


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6/7/2005 12:03:19 PM

 
Peggy J. Sells
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/4/2004
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  Michael,
Thanks for the info. When I look at the different types of lenses for sale some list a "wide angle" Zoom and others just a Zoom. I think I need a book on choosing a lens. When I go to the bhphotovideo website they list so many different lenses from $200.00 to $7000.00 it gets a little confusing.


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6/7/2005 1:36:41 PM

 
Michael H. Cothran   FYI - In 35mm photography, a 50mm lens is considered "normal," ie, similar to what the human eye sees. Anything shorter than 50mm is considered a "wide angle," and anything longer is considered a "telephoto" lens.
For example, a 17-35 zoom would be a "wide angle" zoom, since its entire zooming range is in the wide angle area. A 28-135 zoom would be a "wide angle to telephoto" zoom, and a 70-300 would be a "telephoto" zoom.
Be warned - most multi-purpose zooms in the 28-300 range are usually pretty crummy at the longer end, where your most of your purpose for buying the lens would be. For what you are spelling out, a 300/f2.8 lens would be ideal, although quite costly. Many manufacturers offer a slower version 300/f4 for a lot less money. Canon makes a very nice 100-400 telephoto zoom, but again very costly.
I wish I could offer you better news, but the bottom line is - if you want a good telephoto lens for action shots, it needs to be fast, and preferably not a zoom. Quality costs. In optics, there's simply no getting around it.
Good luck.
Michael H. Cothran
www.mhcphoto.net


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6/7/2005 3:03:10 PM

 
Peggy J. Sells
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/4/2004
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  Michael,
Thanks so much for your explaination! I really appreciate the information and detail. I am slowly starting to understand the concept here. My action shots have to be taken at a distance I already have a "Canon 100-300mm F/4.5-5.6 but given the price of $280.00" this is not a very good lens? I looked up this other lens "Canon Zoom Telephoto EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS (Image Stabilizer) USM Autofocus Lens $1400.00" I like the idea of being able to zoom in from a longer distance would this be ideal for action. I guess I want to know what lens will give me the best quality at a long distance for action shots. I may have to save for a while but I don't want to waste time and money on lesser quality anymore. Thanks again for taking the time to answer. Do you know of a good website to order the quality lenses.


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6/7/2005 6:04:10 PM

 
Peggy J. Sells
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/4/2004
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  Michael,
After doing som research I picked these lenses to think about. Given my needs (Sports and distance)(quality very important)what would you pick?

1. Canon - 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6L EF IS USM Lens $2200.00

2. Canon - 70-200 F2.8 L IS USM EF Lens $1700.00

3. Canon - 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L EF IS Lens $1400.00


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6/8/2005 12:38:41 PM

 
Bob Cournoyer
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  Peggy, I just bought the 100-400 (choice 3) from Adorama...also 3 yrs extended insurance. It's push/pull and weighs a ton. It's an absolutely awesome lens. By the by, did I have a BP class with you sometime last year??

Bob


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6/8/2005 1:06:33 PM

 
Peggy J. Sells
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  Bob,
Yes I remember you. Have you been taking more classes? Can you tell me more about the lens and do you have any pictures on your website taken with the lens? I am very interested in the quality/sharpness at a distance. I shoot action shots from a distance and not being able to use a tripod is my situation. I don't know enough about lenses. Is there that much difference between all three lenses because I would prefer the longer distance of the 400mm but is the f2.8 verses the f4.5 a big difference in my situation of photography?
Thanks,
Peggy


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6/8/2005 2:42:53 PM

 
Bob Cournoyer
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  Well, I'm not much help, then. It's 4.5 at the short end and 5.6 at the long (400mm)end minimum. Quality/sharpness at a distance is fantastic....with a tripod!! The couple times I tried it handheld...I didn't bump the iso up to 800/1600, it was blurry.
Someone else feel free to jump in anytime....:-)

Bob


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6/8/2005 4:31:54 PM

 
Derek Holyhead   Hi Peggy,
I have the 70-200mm f/4 and the quality is superb, the f/2.8 is optically as good but is much better in low light. To read about Canon zooms go here: http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/showcat.php?cat=27
Hope this helps.
Del


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6/8/2005 5:51:48 PM

 
Peggy J. Sells
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/4/2004
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  Derek,
Thanks so much for the link. I will be spending the rest of the evening reading all the critiques on the lenses. Very helpful!!!!

THANKS!


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6/8/2005 6:13:19 PM

 
Derek Holyhead   Hi Peggy,
No problem, I look there all the time. There is also a good buy & Sell forum there and you may get what you are looking for used, most stuff is LNIB or mint condition. Also take a look at the sports forum, you will get some great advice and you can see what equipment other sports photographer's use. I also have the 20D, awesome camera isn't it? Good luck with your sports stuff, please post some pictures, I love to look at other photographer's work.
Regards,
Del


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6/8/2005 7:48:18 PM

 
Melissa  L. Zavadil
BetterPhoto Member Since: 2/26/2005
  Peggy, when you state you are shooting action this scares me with a zoom lens. How fast or what are you shooting and in what kind of light! The faster of a lens you need the steeper the price! --by a ton! What did you NOT like about your old lens. If it was ONLY the distance than the f can remain the same as your old lens but if your shots were not to your liking you need to lower the f --which is a lot more money. The difference in 2.8 to a 4.5 can be massive if you are shooting indoor motorcross, arena horse racing or night race car racing. Low light with fast moving objects is not a match made in heaven! If you are shooting action shots outdoors in bright sunny light all the time this would be a different story.


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6/9/2005 1:28:08 PM

 
Swapnali Mathkar
BetterPhoto Member Since: 1/3/2004
  Hi
I have the Canon 20D . and bought canon 100-400L lens before 2 months. I am doing some bird photography with this. And doing it handheld. This is a real great lens. Sharp results. but it really weight a lot , and along with 20D it is really heavy, but still it gives me sharp pictures at handheld. the IS is of great help.
One small advice, when you carry this lense in field and want to move around without tripod, handheld, use a waist bag, where u can rest the weight of your lense and camera, and your neck and hands wont get stressed.

Swapnali


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6/9/2005 10:51:57 PM

 
Peggy J. Sells
BetterPhoto Member Since: 10/4/2004
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  Thanks everyone for the advise. Thank you Derek for this link http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/showcat.php?cat=27
I read so many reviews and looked at so many pictures taken with the Canon - 70-200 F2.8 L IS USM EF Lens on the website that this will be my choice.
THANKS!


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6/9/2005 10:52:25 PM

 
Derek Holyhead   Great choice Peggy, this lens is the jewel in Canon's crown. My friend has one and it has ultra fast focusing and superb quality. It was having a go with his that prompted me to buy my 70-200mm f/4, I couldn't afford the f/2.8 but the quality of either has to be seen to be believed, have fun and enjoy your new lens.
Regards,
Derek


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6/10/2005 5:51:04 PM

 
Andrew Laverghetta
BetterPhoto Member Since: 9/13/2004
  Good choice! I wish I could get that lens as well but I get the fixed 200mm f/2.8L USM instead because it was only just over $600. I would have loved the zoom and of course the IS skyrockets the price. I love the lens though. Also, don't forget that on your camera it will be more like 112-320mm because of the sensor crop. So then it kind of is the 300mm that you were looking for. You've probably heard that from somebody else though. I have a 20D as well. I have quite a few pictures on my gallery with this lens but it's not marked where. Hope you like your new lens!


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6/11/2005 10:54:58 AM

 
Peggy J. Sells
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Thanks to everyone for guiding me to this lens. (Canon - 70-200 F2.8 L IS USM EF Lens) I just received it and absolutly love it so far. Been able to take a few shots and my only regret would be now I want more distance with this quality. It will be at least another year or longer to save up enough money. Here's one of my pet portraits taken out on a hike with the new lens. Thanks eveyone.


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6/18/2005 11:35:38 AM

 
Melissa  L. Zavadil
BetterPhoto Member Since: 2/26/2005
  Absolutely beautiful shot Peggy!!! Congrats on your new lens!! Yee-HAAA


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6/18/2005 12:31:41 PM

 
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