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Teresa M. Perry
 

clarity of photo


I uploaded a photo in the flower category and it is not as clear as the one that I have on my computer. I can actually see the water droplet and cannot on your website. What can I do to make the photos more clear for the contest. Thanks, Teresa


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8/9/2004 8:44:48 PM

 
Pamela K
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  Now that you mention it...

I just compared my entry for today with the pic I have on my computer, the exact jpeg I submitted, not the photoshop version versus jpeg version, and saw that my photo online looks washed out compared to the shot I have on my computer. I hope someone can suggest a fix for this.... I followed all suggestions for size, format, etc.

I'm using a Mac, maybe this has something to do with it.... What computer are you using?

Pam


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8/9/2004 9:23:11 PM

 
Teresa M. Perry   Hi Pam,

I am using a Dell computer. I am going to try and use Dells Image Expert program next time instead of the one I used.


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8/10/2004 3:51:21 AM

 
Kathryn (Love) Scheet
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  I was told that .tiff is a better format than .jpg because the photo loses some of its quality when it goes through the compression that takes place with .jpg saves.

Kat.


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8/10/2004 11:15:30 AM

 
Pamela K
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  I've heard that about .jpg as well, but I was comparing the .jpg file I downloaded with what actually came up on my browser.... Shouldn't these be the same? I'll try .tiff tomorrow just to compare, but it still seems strange to me.

Pam


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8/10/2004 11:18:07 AM

 
Pamela K
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  Ok, I tried adding a .tif version of today's photo to the discussion:

http://www.betterphoto.com/forms/discussionDetail.asp?threadID=156772

To my eye, the .tif and .jpg look the same. Unfortunately, they both look washed out compared to the original file (whether .tif, .jpg, or .psd) that's on my computer. What's going on?

Teresa, have you tried a different program yet? Let me know when you do....

Pam


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8/10/2004 11:27:37 AM

 
Teresa M. Perry   Pam,

I will try and use a different program in the morning. I'll let you know how it goes! Thanks for the tips...by the way I would like to see some of your work!

Kathyrn..thank you too for responding..I too, would like to see your photos!

Teresa (Terry)


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8/10/2004 4:56:32 PM

 
Pamela K
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  I don't have a member gallery yet, but I posted links to most of my photos at this Q&A:

http://www.betterphoto.com/forms/qnaDetail.asp?threadID=10623

Thanks for your interest.

Pam


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8/10/2004 5:37:52 PM

 
Karma Wilson
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  I had this problem using certain software. Photoshop elements was the worst. The pictures would look very rich and saturated in that program. I would sometimes tone them down! Then when I opened the photo in other applications or saved it to the contest it looked washed out and bland. I changed programs and haven't had a problem.

Karma


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8/12/2004 7:39:18 PM

 
Pamela K
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  I have several different viewing programs on my computer: Photoshop, iPhoto, and Preview. The photo looks the same on all of them, but it looks washed out on the webpage. These are all compared side-by-side on my screen.

Someone else suggested that it might be my Photoshop settings, but that seems unlikely if my other two, independent, programs show the same thing.

I hope someone can help us figure this out.

Pam


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8/12/2004 7:48:47 PM

 
Sal 
BetterPhoto Member Since: 7/27/2004
  I'm looking forward to an answer to this myself. What's the secret?


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8/18/2004 3:50:24 PM

 
Jill A. Johnson
BetterPhoto Member Since: 4/20/2004
  there was just an article on problems with people using AOL for uploading images... I do not use it so am not familar with it but just to let you know that may be some of your problems
Jill :)


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8/18/2004 6:15:52 PM

 
Pamela K
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  Hmm... I use the Mac browser, Safari. Any info on that one?

Pam


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8/18/2004 6:19:48 PM

 
Sal 
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  I have a Dell, use IE, and RoadRunner. In the past I uses MS Picture It! and now PS 5.0 to edit. Have saved as .jpg and .tif and see no noticeable difference.


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8/19/2004 2:36:26 AM

 
Brian L. Zimmerman   I think the information on the submission page is misleading and may be causing some of the problems described, as I have learned the hard way. It suggests that 500x750 is ideal and no more than 500 pixels, but if you submit one sized at 500 it will be downsized to 480. This would contribute to a lack of sharpness and other changes in the image such as lack of color saturation. They really should not manipulate your image, or else tell you the true optimal size to minimize the deleterious effects of the processing used.


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8/24/2004 7:24:46 AM

 
Sal 
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  How did you come across this question, Brian? And where do you get your information? Obviously you've overcome this problem. Is it possible to see some of your submissions? Thanks for your interest.


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8/24/2004 1:36:16 PM

 
Brian L. Zimmerman   I came across this question by clicking on Q&A on the menu and reading messages posted under the contest topic. The information comes from the submission page when you enter the contest - it states there what the size should be. Also, from experience, by submitting an image larger than 480, you can then measure its size after it is posted and see that it has been reduced to 480. Alt-print screen copies the page, then paste into your photo editor, then crop to exclude the added white frame, then you'll see it is 480 on the short side. The only thing that should be obvious from my post is that I have the same problem that others have with my submitted images losing sharpness, etc. I plan to resize my images to exactly 480 on the short side before submitting to see if that miminizes the problems. It's obvious that they will never be the same as what you submit, since they have to be saved again after the white frame border is added. Assuming they are save as .jpg files, they will be compressed to some degree, and this will cause loss of data from the image file, unless they use a fairly high quality compression setting when saving, but I doubt it. This is why it's a good idea to submit as a .png or other lossless file, to avoid additional loss of information. Moreover, anytime you downsize an image, it will lose sharpness and need some additional sharpening, and I doubt that the processing of submitted images includes any sharpening steps. Would be nice if someone at BetterPhoto could enlighten us as to what exactly is being done to process submitted images. Beyond submitting with the exact right size (480 on the short side), I think the only other thing that could be done is to use some extra contrast and/or saturation, but that would have to be determined on a trial & error basis for each image, something which BetterPhoto makes extremely difficult to accomplish, since you can't delete your own image and resubmit. Plus if you email Betterphoto to delete a submission, you still can't resubmit until the next day. No easy solution given the lack of a delete button here, but I'm hoping just the correct size should avoid the worst problems.



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8/24/2004 6:14:17 PM

 
Pamela K
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  One way to test it out is to submit a bunch of different formats to a Q&A or into the discussion of a photo you've already entered. This way you can find out what works best without entering a "test" photo into the contest. They have a choice of "not for contest" or something like that in the pull down selection menu now. I did this with one of my pics and tried downloading it as .jpg and as .tif but it did not make any difference. Both looked the same after processing, and both were washed out compared to the original file I had on my computer. If you figure out something that works, let me know.

Pam

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8/25/2004 10:13:46 AM

 
Sal 
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  Same here, Pam. I've tried both .jpg and .tif and see no difference. .png won't upload. I don't know who's end that problem is on. I sharpen my images with PS and this helps a little. The images become over saturated if I sharpen too much. Maybe I need to play around with that more. I think there's more tricks to learn though.


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8/25/2004 12:09:34 PM

 
Brian L. Zimmerman   Thanks for the tips, Pam. Good ideas. I would think the most important thing would be to submit exactly 480 pixels on the short side. Are you both doing that? Anything else will get resized and lose something (mainly sharpness). Also, I think png should be the best format to use, since it makes smaller files, but with no loss of info as in jpg. The image I submitted this morning to the contest ("Dawn Light" of a lighthouse) looks more like what I expected, since I submitted exactly 480 on the short side, so it looks much sharper than yesterdays fiasco. I also boosted the color saturation slightly to avoid it looking too washed out.


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8/25/2004 1:42:10 PM

 
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