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Donna R. Leicht
 

How to Create a 'Flaming Soccer Ball'


I was wondering if you know how to create a "flaming soccer ball" for one of my daughter's friend's senior pictures. I photograph 99-percent newborns, but she talked me into taking a few of her friends' senior pictures. Thank you for your help.


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7/4/2004 5:32:58 PM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
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  Photograph a candle, and do a cut or copy with the lasso tool, and do multiple pastings. You can then use the size transform with the clone (rubber stamp) tool to shape the flames, and make them blend in. I'd use some feathering with the lasso tool, so that you can blend it with the part of the flame that's closest to the soccer ball.
For fake flames, you can use the paintbrush tools (paintbrush or spray paint) to paint a rough flame shape. Use red, yellow and blue to get the different color temperatures that flames have - i.e., red on the outer edges, the hotter blue in the middle. And with the smudge tool, set the pressure to about 50-60 percent. You can get the shape by smudging from the blue out towards the red, to blend the colors and also give the flames that gentle curve effect.


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7/5/2004 3:26:21 AM

 
Gianna Stadelmyer
BetterPhoto Member Since: 2/7/2004
  Hi Donna! If you happen to have Jasc Paint Shop Pro, you can use the picture tubes tool and stamp them in that way - premade, sizeable, etc. I use layers with them so that I can change the transparency and such as well. I believe the picture tubes are also sold as $20 plug-ins on jasc.com. Hope that's of some help:-)


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7/5/2004 6:46:06 AM

 
Kip T. Berger
BetterPhoto Member Since: 2/20/2002
 
 
 
Hi Donna,
Example done with stamp tool in Photo Impact.


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9/21/2004 10:35:11 AM

 
Barry L. Antrim   Hi Donna,

I am perplexed! I am also new to this sight. Isn't this the "Category: All About Photography: Film-Based, Traditional Photography section????

I think you have a good question here and I am hoping its posted in the right spot.

None of my film cameras nor any of my dark room equipment have "paint brush" or a "lasso" feature so I don't get the previous answers.

In my opinion if you want a flaming soccer ball---go buy a soccer ball and set it on fire. There are obvious safety issues to attend to. No one wants to actually kick a flaming ball (however it would work). So squirt a little tempered alchohol on it have a friend light it and toss it. Make your exposier with some control and then double expose with your subject in the action of kicking.
Heavy gloves and a fire extinguisher a must SAFETY FIRST.

Well thats my take on it for what its worth but then again I wanted to be a photographer not a windows guru.

Have a great day!!!


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9/21/2004 2:11:00 PM

 
Rhonda L. Tolar   I think the effect you are looking for is to use lighter fluid....very carefully.

Determine where you want the flame, get your pose ready, the pour some lighter fluid on the ball, light it, and shoot.

Make sure there are no flameable objects near by, ie hair, uniform...etc.

Have a wet towel near by, to douse the flame immediatly after the shot, just throw the towel over the ball, or the soccor ball will melt!

And I would take several shots, bracketing if possible. Flames are hard to capture.


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9/21/2004 2:24:56 PM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
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  forgot the uncheck the notify box on this question.
I don't think she actually wanted or meant setting the ball on fire.
And it's a question in the q&a, so few are concerned what category it might fit in.


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9/21/2004 9:11:19 PM

 
Barry L. Antrim   Gregory

Sorry if I offended you!!!((WOOPS))

I am sure your digital tips are very good but people who still work with film want to know about film techniques not digital alterations. That is the reason that they catagorize things in this way.
You seem to make an assumption of what Donna wanted. I dont see digital mantioned in her question and it is in a traditional film catagory of Q&A. Why do you make the assumption that few care about the catagory---I care,,,I'll bet a lot of film lovers care. They come to this catagory to discuss film not PC's.
Have a great day!!!


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9/22/2004 2:10:45 AM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
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  nobody's offended. and hardly anybody's going to be miffed or moofed enough to say "could you please put your question in the right category". Don't think they'll be that uptight about it. If they see a question, they'll try to answer if they can. Regardless of where it is.


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9/22/2004 8:21:22 AM

 
Barry L. Antrim   Gregory,
(((SMILE)))
I visited your WEB sight. Very nice. You are obviously an accomplished photographer. I am sure you are very well versed in both film and digital formats. Certainly more than myself.

Yes I do agree, a small thing, and thank you for calling me "uptight". Not toooo subtle. I won't resort to name calling. I was merely trying to point out that there was ABSOLUTELY NO indication of her question being of a digital nature. Not in the text of it nor in the context of it.

At any rate I am sure she (and everyone else) has heard enough of this childish bickering. After all there are many ways to see the world around us. I choose to stay out of the box.

Have a great day Mr. Gregory sir!!!


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9/22/2004 1:04:04 PM

 
Chuck Koczan   Gregory -

I have to say, I too am a bit confused. With a digital category your tips would be of great help - but I also love "traditional film" photography. So my questions is - how could you create a flaming soccer ball. I have seen flaming hockey sticks done with a gel (like a thick lighter fluid). The effect in TRADITIONAL FILM was very interresting. I suspect the same thing could be done with the soccer ball - but I don't know what the material was.

If anyone knows a way (that does not use PHOTOSHOP!!!) - I would like to know.

Thanks everyone!


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9/22/2004 2:43:47 PM

 
Gregory LaGrange
BetterPhoto Member Since: 11/11/2003
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  by some flammable stuff(lighter fluid,sterno,rubber cement,anything that says flammable) and use it to set the soccer ball on fire.


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9/22/2004 3:55:05 PM

 
Shauna Linde
BetterPhoto Member Since: 6/10/2004
  Just a bit of a side note-When I look in the Q&A section, I look at "All new questions" and it doesn't show what category the question was posted in, just the subject line and the first couple lines of the post. So- a person looking this way can only guess what category it was put into. Unless the person specifies in their post what kind of photography they are doing, I would think that all responses (whether pc oriented or not) would be helpful.

Just out of curiousity Donna, are you really looking for a film technique or something you can do in Photoshop?? Whatever the case- I'm sure you got lots of help here. :)


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9/22/2004 6:54:16 PM

 
Kip T. Berger
BetterPhoto Member Since: 2/20/2002
 
 
 
When I navigated through the Q & A section, I went to Q&A then, Digital Imagining,and it shows this page. Which is why I responded with a computer effect.


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9/22/2004 10:46:06 PM

 
Donna R. Leicht   Hi Guys!

Thank you for all of the help:) I was looking for a film technique. I tried sterno, but it didn't create a nice-sized flame and immediately burned the cover of the ball too. Decided it wasn't worth the risk. I'm not a huge risk-taker--no downhill skiing or race-car driving for me! Thanks again for all of your responses. Sorry about all of the controversy.

Donna


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9/23/2004 2:59:44 AM

 
  Hi Donna;

If you're wanting to try some of the suggestions posted here, you may want to think about a program for your computer such as photoshop. There are many similar programs available, my personal favorite being Photofiltre (www.photofiltre.com). Photofiltre requires a winzip program for download.

You will also need a scanner to get your prints onto your computer. Most companies today make all in one printer-scanner-fax units, some for less that a hundred dollars. I use a Lexmark 7350 all in one unit that I purchased several years ago for 160.00. It now sells for less than a hundred. Once you have the ability to convert your prints from analog to digital, you'll be set to make dangerous pronts in a much safer environment.

Have fun and keep shooting,
Mark H.


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8/14/2008 10:11:28 AM

 
Mark Feldstein
BetterPhoto Member Since: 3/17/2005
  BTW, those of you interested in film technique, especially darkroom work like Shauna, (I'd hope still interested) check out APUG.org and support it. It's the analog photographers user group. Great info, helpful folks.
Mark.


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8/14/2008 12:18:30 PM

 
Shauna Linde
BetterPhoto Member Since: 6/10/2004
  Great site, Mark! Thanks for sharing-


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8/14/2008 4:38:51 PM

 
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