 - Patrick Rouzes  Contact Patrick Rouzes Patrick Rouzes's Gallery |
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- Usman M. Bajwa Contact Usman M. Bajwa Usman M. Bajwa's Gallery |
Glad that you are trying to shoot in RAW. I am sure in time you'll start loving this. Shooting in RAW as opposed to in Jpeg, Tiff will give you much more room to do non-destructive adjustments to your image. The difference is much more clear when shooting in low light conditions.Here are a few links that you may want to go over to get a handle on RAW and RAW processing. Have fun. http://www.geofflawrence.com/photoshop_raw.html UB.
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- Usman M. Bajwa Contact Usman M. Bajwa Usman M. Bajwa's Gallery |
Oh yes, and RAW images are not supposed to be uploaded for viewing since it is 'raw' data and totally unprocessed. You'll have to process the data in a photo editing software such as Photoshop, Picassa, etc. and save it as Jpeg or Tiff or any other option available in the software.
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- Patrick Rouzes Contact Patrick Rouzes Patrick Rouzes's Gallery |
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Cindy Koller |
Just a bit more info. When you shoot in JPG, the camera is actually processing the photo (brightness, contrast, shadow, whites, etc), so that it looks quite nice immediately when downloaded from the camera. When you shoot RAW, all that stuff is not happening, so the photo is not going to look as good immediately downloaded from the camera as a JPG will. 2 reasons why folks prefer to shoot in RAW: 1. Photographers like to have ultimate control over processing the image. This allows them the ability to change the White Balance in post as well as starting with a totally neutral image with which to process to the photographers taste, using one of many raw processing softwares. 2. A JPG degrades every time it is saved. Shooting in RAW, typically one will then convert the image to a TIFF to any additional post processing and my preference is to then save the final version as a Master TIFF. From that Master TIFF, I can then create a smaller JPG to send to BetterPhoto.
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- Patrick Rouzes Contact Patrick Rouzes Patrick Rouzes's Gallery |
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- Patrick Rouzes Contact Patrick Rouzes Patrick Rouzes's Gallery |
Oh, and I 'm right pleased with myself for understanding all the above. lol. It's true that the student is only as good as the teacher. While I'm here I have one more question. I shoot in Large format, but my photos always seems a lot smaller than the other entries- even with a minute crop. Any explanations for that?
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- Nikki McDonald Contact Nikki McDonald Nikki McDonald's Gallery |
Try resizing to 800 on the long side, 72 dpi, and saving as a jpg, Patrick. Upload that and see what you think. I know you've been given several options, but after I've done my converting (sometimes I use CS6 camera raw but usually I use my Sony data converter), I save as a tiff (already suggested). Then I edit as I wish either in Elements of CS6. When I'm done there, I save again, still as a tiff. Here's where I'll offer you something new. I use FastStone Image Viewer to resize (using the dimensions I gave in the first sentence) and then save that smaller file as a jpg. That's what I upload to BP. FastStone has an image viewer and an image resizer. Both are free downloads, at least in the basic version which is what I have.
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- Patrick Rouzes Contact Patrick Rouzes Patrick Rouzes's Gallery |
Usman & Cindy, sorry, I thought I understood, but I guess I didn't.
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- Nikki McDonald Contact Nikki McDonald Nikki McDonald's Gallery |
I never upload a tiff to BP or anywhere else on the net, Patrick. Did you save as a jpg when you resized? That's what you upload.
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Ujjwal Mukherjee |
Hi Patrick, This is what I have been doing for many years - Once I open a RAW file in my photo editor, I save it as tiff and then all the subsequent changes are done in the same format , I also upload the file as tiff – BP site does the conversion to jpg , looks like I have been lazy..... :-) I use the same process even if I work on a photo that was taken as jpg ( my Cell Phone shots ), only if the final work is of higher dimension such as 1600 x and more, I convert the final tiff file to jpg as it becomes heavy otherwise and then upload the jpg. Your finding of the direct tiff upload that appears to be smaller needs to be looked into – I am not too sure as what you see on BP is already converted to jpg . However if you come across the final word on this finding, please do let me know as I upload only tiff . Ujjwal
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- Usman M. Bajwa Contact Usman M. Bajwa Usman M. Bajwa's Gallery |
I also almost always upload as tiff file (longest side 800) and there is no reduction in either size or in the quality. UB.
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chrisbudny.com - Chris Budny Contact Chris Budny Chris Budny's Gallery |
I'm with Usman -- I shoot in RAW, edit as needed in LR and/or PS, then save as / export from PS a TIF file, pre-sized by me, down to 800 pixels along the long edge. I upload that file to BP, and have never noticed any size inconsistencies. You might try viewing a single photo of someone else at BP (where you "see it" as normal sized for BP -- take a screenshot of that from your browser, and then in your editing software, crop out all of the screen capture down to just the perimeter of the actual photo -- then examine the pixel dimensions of that cropped result -- should be around 800 long by ___ short. Then, repeat in the same browser, for one of your uploaded photos where you "see it" smaller than you expected. Take it as a screenshot from BP, crop out all the screen stuff until just your image remains, and examine the pixel dimensions. I'd be quite surprised if they are different, as I've never encountered any images at BP smaller than 800-long-side, EXCEPT when the member uploads a file that was smaller than 800-long-side, at the start.
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- Martha R. Mazon Contact Martha R. Mazon Martha R. Mazon's Gallery |
Good questions, and good answers! I myself having been convinced of the benefit of saving the RAW file in (the much much larger) TIFF format if I'm just going to upload the image. I guess should experiment with that some. I do recommend editing in Adobe Camera Raw, which is completely non-destructive, as much as possible. I especially like its adjustment brush feature. Regarding photo size, Patrick, your photos don't look smaller than any others to me. BP does do some weird cropping. It seems to me that full-frame landscape images are squished a bit horizontally whereas portrait and square images are not.
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- Patrick Rouzes Contact Patrick Rouzes Patrick Rouzes's Gallery |
Thank you for all the great info, Cindy, Nikki, Ujjwal, Usman, Christopher & Martha. I learned something from each of you!
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